UrbanConservative’s Unethical Reciprocal Links
By Bruce Kelly
While checking links today I discovered that UrbanConservative, one of my link "partners" was reciprocating with the rel="nofollow" tag. It's my strong opinion that this is an unethical way to reciprocate in a link exchange and here's why.
We trade or exchange links (reciprocals) for two reasons. To share our visitors with like minded web sites and blogs and to increase our ranking and relevancy in search engines.
Speaking for myself, I get very little traffic from web surfers actually clicking on the links from my link partners, most of my traffic comes from Google, Yahoo! and MSN. I'm in those search engines because of those link exchanges and I'm very grateful for them. Thank you all.
When you link to another web site you are telling search engines that this is a good and relevant web site, worthy of your link, and that a search engine spider or web robot should crawl that site and add it to the listing, if it's not already there, or reward it by placing it higher in the results and (in Google's case) increase it's PageRank. You are basically voting for that site.
The rel="nofollow" tag was created as a way for bloggers to fight spam in their blog's comments section. The rel="nofollow" tag tells search engines that this link is spam, it's not to be followed and I do not vote for this site as trustworthy or relevant. It's not a good link.
That's fine, unless that link is part of a RECIPROCAL link exchange. If my web site is no good, unworthy of a link, why have you linked to it begin with? Why did you ask me for a link? Is your links page simply a trick to get me to link to you? If so then you have engaged in a dishonest practice and turned what was supposed to be a reciprocal link exchange into a one way link in order to game the search engines and increase your own search engine rankings. You've told Google, Yahoo! and the other search engines that my link to you is a vote for your "good" site but your link to me is not, that your link to me should be ignored by the search engines. Read what Google says about the rel="nofollow" tag.
Next time you visit the UrbanConservative's Best Conservative Blogs page and read about his superior search engine rankings you'll know how he got there. You voted for him (at his request!) with an honest, valid link and he's reciprocated by telling the search engines that your link is spam, invalid and untrustworthy.
Yahoo!
Conservative Blog - #3
Conservative Blogs - #2
Best Conservative Blog - #2
Best Conservative News Blog - #1
Best Conservative Political Blog - #1
Conservative News - #6
Conservative Politics - #2
Google
Conservative Blog - #1
Conservative Blogs - #2
Conservative News - #8
Conservative Politics - #6
I think this is unethical and I'm not the only one. Read WebmasterWorld Link Development: Dirty Tricks.
I've been a webmaster for about ten years now. I built Brucekelly.com using Notetab Lite, a freeware text editor. This blog is a modified version of Blogger's Minima template. I know just about every dirty trick in the book and I've used some of them in the past; but no more. I've learned through hard experience that the best way to build and maintain a viable, long term presence on the web is to play fair, to be straight with others, and never try to game the system.
I do indeed use the "nofollow" tag, but never on reciprocal links. If you link to Brucekelly.com you get a straight forward link back. Even if you use one of those mostly useless javascript Blogrolling links. It's not the intent of those who use Blogrolling for link exchanges to deny me a search engine robot friendly link, they just don't know any better. You'll still get a hard coded, bot friendly link from me.
I've even found web sites and blogs linking to me and added them without them ever asking. Common Sense and Wonder was the first blog to ever give me a link. I didn't ask and they didn't tell. They just liked my site and linked me up. I reciprocated, and that's why they will remain at the top of my listings for as long as I have a web site. It's my way of saying thanks.
I was checking my site on Google's Webmaster Tools just this past weekend and found Se Vitav Resnoc (that's conservatives spelled backwards by the way) with a big fat link to Brucekelly.com just sitting there. He never asked for reciprocal link, but I saw it and linked him up. Why? That's what fair minded webmasters do.
I guess that's why I find UrbanConservatives actions so offensive. He requested the link. He actively seeks out reciprocal link exchanges and then decieves his less web savy partners with a snippet of html. He then uses his high search engine rankings as a selling point for accepting the link exchange when it's his deceptive practices that actually created those rankings to begin with.
My first reaction to UrbanConservatives link strategy was to simply reciprocate with my own "nofollow" tag, but then I read the comments; honest bloggers, grateful for the link exchange, not realizing they're being used. It really bothered me. Bloggers are writers after all, not webmasters, and here they are, being taken advantage of by a trickster in a search engine ranking scheme that only benefits the UrbanConservative. Shame on you UrbanConservative.
If you're happy with this kind of link exchange, that's not really a link exchange at all, more power to you. When I added the UrbanConservative's link to my site we agreed on a RECIPROCAL link exchange. This isn't. I'm removing his link and I think you should too. I don't believe in rewarding bad behavior.
While checking links today I discovered that UrbanConservative, one of my link "partners" was reciprocating with the rel="nofollow" tag. It's my strong opinion that this is an unethical way to reciprocate in a link exchange and here's why.
We trade or exchange links (reciprocals) for two reasons. To share our visitors with like minded web sites and blogs and to increase our ranking and relevancy in search engines.
Speaking for myself, I get very little traffic from web surfers actually clicking on the links from my link partners, most of my traffic comes from Google, Yahoo! and MSN. I'm in those search engines because of those link exchanges and I'm very grateful for them. Thank you all.
When you link to another web site you are telling search engines that this is a good and relevant web site, worthy of your link, and that a search engine spider or web robot should crawl that site and add it to the listing, if it's not already there, or reward it by placing it higher in the results and (in Google's case) increase it's PageRank. You are basically voting for that site.
The rel="nofollow" tag was created as a way for bloggers to fight spam in their blog's comments section. The rel="nofollow" tag tells search engines that this link is spam, it's not to be followed and I do not vote for this site as trustworthy or relevant. It's not a good link.
That's fine, unless that link is part of a RECIPROCAL link exchange. If my web site is no good, unworthy of a link, why have you linked to it begin with? Why did you ask me for a link? Is your links page simply a trick to get me to link to you? If so then you have engaged in a dishonest practice and turned what was supposed to be a reciprocal link exchange into a one way link in order to game the search engines and increase your own search engine rankings. You've told Google, Yahoo! and the other search engines that my link to you is a vote for your "good" site but your link to me is not, that your link to me should be ignored by the search engines. Read what Google says about the rel="nofollow" tag.
Next time you visit the UrbanConservative's Best Conservative Blogs page and read about his superior search engine rankings you'll know how he got there. You voted for him (at his request!) with an honest, valid link and he's reciprocated by telling the search engines that your link is spam, invalid and untrustworthy.
Yahoo!
Conservative Blog - #3
Conservative Blogs - #2
Best Conservative Blog - #2
Best Conservative News Blog - #1
Best Conservative Political Blog - #1
Conservative News - #6
Conservative Politics - #2
Conservative Blog - #1
Conservative Blogs - #2
Conservative News - #8
Conservative Politics - #6
I think this is unethical and I'm not the only one. Read WebmasterWorld Link Development: Dirty Tricks.
I've been a webmaster for about ten years now. I built Brucekelly.com using Notetab Lite, a freeware text editor. This blog is a modified version of Blogger's Minima template. I know just about every dirty trick in the book and I've used some of them in the past; but no more. I've learned through hard experience that the best way to build and maintain a viable, long term presence on the web is to play fair, to be straight with others, and never try to game the system.
I do indeed use the "nofollow" tag, but never on reciprocal links. If you link to Brucekelly.com you get a straight forward link back. Even if you use one of those mostly useless javascript Blogrolling links. It's not the intent of those who use Blogrolling for link exchanges to deny me a search engine robot friendly link, they just don't know any better. You'll still get a hard coded, bot friendly link from me.
I've even found web sites and blogs linking to me and added them without them ever asking. Common Sense and Wonder was the first blog to ever give me a link. I didn't ask and they didn't tell. They just liked my site and linked me up. I reciprocated, and that's why they will remain at the top of my listings for as long as I have a web site. It's my way of saying thanks.
I was checking my site on Google's Webmaster Tools just this past weekend and found Se Vitav Resnoc (that's conservatives spelled backwards by the way) with a big fat link to Brucekelly.com just sitting there. He never asked for reciprocal link, but I saw it and linked him up. Why? That's what fair minded webmasters do.
I guess that's why I find UrbanConservatives actions so offensive. He requested the link. He actively seeks out reciprocal link exchanges and then decieves his less web savy partners with a snippet of html. He then uses his high search engine rankings as a selling point for accepting the link exchange when it's his deceptive practices that actually created those rankings to begin with.
My first reaction to UrbanConservatives link strategy was to simply reciprocate with my own "nofollow" tag, but then I read the comments; honest bloggers, grateful for the link exchange, not realizing they're being used. It really bothered me. Bloggers are writers after all, not webmasters, and here they are, being taken advantage of by a trickster in a search engine ranking scheme that only benefits the UrbanConservative. Shame on you UrbanConservative.
If you're happy with this kind of link exchange, that's not really a link exchange at all, more power to you. When I added the UrbanConservative's link to my site we agreed on a RECIPROCAL link exchange. This isn't. I'm removing his link and I think you should too. I don't believe in rewarding bad behavior.





12 Comments:
This is interesting. Thanks for the heads up Bruce. It would be verrrrrry interesting to hear what they say about this.
I intend to ask him about it.
Con1
Conservative Oasis (dot com)
Bruce,
I've been following the e-mails from his site..and..I have to say, you are right on target! Had I known he used the tag intentionally, I would not have purposely linked to his site. I'm removing his link from my site. Keep up the great work! I'm adding you to my links now! I don't expect a reciprocal! LOL. Great post! It appears the only thing he was promoting was himself, not the conservative movement!
Thanks bobo,
I've disappointed a few people with this post, but at the risk of sounding arrogant, I know I'm right.
I'm a webmaster, not a blogger or a writer, I'm a conservative webmaster and I've been at this for a long time.
Quite by accident this particular website took on a life of it's own and became, basically, a conservative web directory, a link site. Linking is what I do here, and yes you'll probably get a link from me, I can't help myself.
I know the rules, I understand Googles linking guidlines. It's about quality, and relevance. Links that add to your users web surfing experience. Thats why a try to think up clever little descriptions for my links.
Anyone with a conservative website can request a link here. There is no need to link back. If your site is good, different in some way, you have a unique voice, your a good writer, it adds to my surfers experience or I just plain like it, you'll get a link.
I like to get links from good web sites, but it's not required. And regardless of whether you decide to link to me or not, you'll get an honest, clean link.
That's just the way it's done in my opinion. Thanks again for your support, I appreciate it.
A new comment appeared on the UrbanConservative and since I've been blocked from replying there I'll do so here...
Author: jasmine
Comment:
bruce,
i hate to say this but you really suck! And, please do NOT email me again. Consider this your fist warning.
- jasmine
My reply:
I did not email you Jasmine. I emailed only three friends with links on my site. And you are not one of them. You are a sock puppet.
we can always pull my server logs from BlueGravity if you need proof or if you're considering making any false legal claims. Emails never really go away.
Bruce,
You have not been blocked from leaving comments on the site. You are lying.
You are free to post comments anytime; even though it's bullshit.
Just tried to post again and got this message...
Sorry, but your comment has been flagged by the spam filter running on this blog: this might be an error, in which case all apologies. Your comment will be presented to the blog admin who will be able to restore it immediately.
You may want to contact the blog admin via e-mail to notify him.
...from this url...
http://www.urbanconservative.com/wp-comments-post.php
I'm not going to bother emailing the webmaster tonight. I'm going to bed. I just wanted "Jasmine" to know that server logs tell all and from the looks of the last post, I think "she" nows that now. Goodnight.
Once again I tried to post at the UrbanConservative and couldn't. I may not be blocked and, as the aforementioned error suggests, I may have triggered some kind of spam filter.
But, I'm not lying, I could be wrong but I'm not lying. And I don't suck. I just want to get that straight.
Here's the attempted response regarding the post "smear campaign" --
I'm specifically addressing reciprocal links here. Those sites that link to you and you, in return, link to them. There is nothing wrong with a reciprocal link as long as you're linking to a good site, with related content in order to enhance your users overall web surfing experience. I don't care how you link to other sites. I'm talking about your reciprocal links.
Nobody has to take my word for the ethics of using the rel="nofollow" attribute in reciprocal links. Search Google using this phrase.
using rel="nofollow" for reciprocal links
Read what Goggle says about when you should use rel="nofollow"
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/search.py?query=rel%3D%22nofollow%22&ctx=en%3Asearchbox&Action.Search=Search
And my favorite site for webmasters, webmasterworld, has more on the subject.
Search Google using this search phrase.
using rel="nofollow" for reciprocal links site:webmasterworld.com
I'm not a writer or a blogger. I'm a webmaster who runs a conservative web directory. It's a link site for conservatives. The links are my content and I actively promote those links. That's what my site is about. I have listened to the Google representative on webmasterworld and as long as I, once again, link to quality sites, with related content in order to enhance the overall web surfing experience, and do not require a reciprocal link, I'm not in violation of Google's webmaster guidelines. And I do it without using the "nofollow" attribute, whether or not the link request reciprocates.
Basically the "nofollow" attribute is used when linking to sites you don't trust and you don't want the search engines to know about. If that's the case, why are you linking there at all? Short answer, there's nothing really wrong with the site to begin with, you're doing it to create a one way, key-worded link to your site from what was presumed to be a reciprocal link, to increase your pagerank and search engine ranking. That in my opinion is a manipulation of search engine results. Not the other way around as you suggest. Your right about reciprocal links, they are not as valued by the search engines as one way links and are a relatively poor way to increase search engines rankings, but they are not spam if done correctly. You seem to have solved that problem, for yourself anyway. How many people here use rel="nofollow" in your links in your blogrolls? Well don't. Google is clear on its use; you, not so much.
Again I'm talking about using "nofollow" on reciprocal links, and that only.
As far as wikipedia, the encyclopedia that "anyone can edit" -- I think we're all aware of how easy it is to manipulate wikipedia. Now there's a site I would "nofollow." I like to call it revisionist history in real-time.
You send tons of traffic? Remember, I was on that link list, under "B" and I didn't see it. You may want to check your site for traffic leaks.
That's it for me. Thanks for letting me post. I cannot fault your integrity in that regard.
If you want to see my site, and the post that started all this just, Google brucekelly, I rank very well for brucekelly because that's how most folks choose to link to me, and I'm fine with that. The proof is in the pages.
Bruce,
Thank you for the info. This is a part of blogging I was totally unaware of, and I will look into this further. I must confess total ignorance on the topic, but I will educate myself and if appropriate, take the necessary action.
Thanks again and good luck.
Gary Fouse
fousesquawk
As I said, you are not blocked from leaving comments. Try using a different email address.
I think I fairly and accurately addressed my point of view on your allegations. And by the way, you said you only emailed three people on that list (blogs that you link to). This is false; as I have had three others emailing me asking about it. And as far as I can tell, you do not link to these sites.
I am being truthful to you; and I would appreciate the same thing from you.
Your explanation that you are only addressing "reciprocal linking" is fair and I admitted my negligence; but your crusade to “inform the world” about my so called “link scheme” is absurd.
As I said in my post, for any of you who don’t want to be on the blog list, please let me know and I will take you down AND for those who want to stay on and DON”T want to link back, that’s fine too.
The fact of the matter is I was ranking well in the engines LONG before I even started the directory anyway.
I have been consistently addressing only reciprocal links right from the start. You, on the other hand seem to have some trouble with consistency. When I called you out on using the nofollow on reciprocals you first response was…
"Woops. I forgot we agreed to recipricate. Most of the sites listed above don't link back to me. It was an oversight"
Later you admitted that…
"YES, I did make a conscious decision to add NO FOLLOW to all the links in this directory."
Now you say…
"Your explanation that you are only addressing "reciprocal linking" is fair and I admitted my negligence…"
So what is it? A mistake, a conscious decision or negligence? Your story keeps changing.
Here's some consistancy for you. It's easy to be consistant when your telling the truth. I emailed three people on my link list. Period. You shouldn't be surprised if your getting emails from people who thought they where engaged in a fair and equal (that's what reciprocal means by the way) link exchange on your site. The word is out now and people have questions.
I've been getting emails from people I don't know. Like I said they have questions and I tell them this.
-- begin message --
Don't take my word for it, do a Google search for…
using rel="nofollow" for reciprocal links
Read what Goggle says about when you should use rel="nofollow"
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/search.py?query=rel%3D%22nofollow%22&ctx=en%3Asearchbox&Action.Search=Search
-- end message --
You have been consistently questioned my honesty and integrity. I've told you how many folks I've emailed and that's the truth, it won't change. All this is your weak attempt to divert from the issue anyway. Tomorrow I may email everybody on both of our link lists. Who knows. What am I supposed to do then? Report back to you? I don't think so
You're saying that I'm engaged in a smear campaign, a crusade. I exposed your unethical reciprocal linking methods. It was the right thing to do. The emails I'm getting don't think exposing you was absurd at all.
Every response I've gotten has been positive, except for your sock puppet post from "jasmine'' who I did not email. The three people I emailed have all responded and I've had follow-up conversations with them.
It is your integrity that's in question here, not mine. I think that's obvious, but you seem to be engaged in some sort of Orwellian downward logic spiral.
I've told the truth, I've exposed the truth. The best thing for you to do is remove the rel="nofollow" from your reciprocal links and apologize.
As for as commenting on your blog; the error message I get states "Your comment will be presented to the blog admin who will be able to restore it immediately." Why don't you just do that?
It looks like I wasn't blocked after all and using a different email address I managed to post a comment on the UrbanConservatives blog. You can read it here.
I want to conclude, and I do really mean that I'm done with this, by saying that the UrbanConservative is an intelligent and hard working man who is very savvy in the ways of the World Wide Web. So savvy that I think he just got carried away in this particular case, maybe I did too. If I said or implied that he is unethical I apologize. I believe his linking technique was unethical, he definitely is not.
I put the link to the list on my blog site. I have no problem with linking folks to other conservative bloggers. The more informed we are, the more effective we are.
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